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Interesting. Then I guess I never fully left before, only 'took a backseat'

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I didn't assign her any personality traits so how will anything besides me relate to her enough to cause her to become active when I'm not focused solely on her?

With time and experience, personality develops.

6:58 PM

Telling them who they should be without any context to it doesn't determine the personality.

That feels kinda crappy tho, knowing that if ever stop thinking of her, she'll just stop

It isn't as bad as you seem to be thinking.

7:03 PM

If you aren't thinking, you aren't thinking. Consider it being put on pause, or sleeping - you aren't aware of anything happening during it, but you become aware of the time difference when you become active again.

Like being frozen for a time, having everything change and then having someone tell you about all the time you missed

Have you slept before?

We like to think of it as sleeping.

But my sleep isn't determinate of my mother not thinking of me

Not everything changes. Typically, as a tulpa, you are... Disconnected enough from what happens outside that it doesn't matter so much.

7:05 PM

That isn't the point.

But sleep, in itself isn't really bad.

Am I thinking to deeply about all of this?

Yes.

It’s a good thing to be thinking deeply though! It shows that you care

But its nothing to worry about

Yes.

My family tends to say that i overanalyse everything i do I need to practice accepting that some things just are the way they are

Analyzing things is good. However, analyzing them without investment in what the answer is, is the best policy.

7:11 PM

The goal is learning - not justifying what we want to be true.

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I'm going to steal that quote.

Go ahead.

You can put forth hypotheses, though, with the intent to disprove them

7:15 PM

It’s the empirical way of handling science these days at least

well, the intent is to test them

7:16 PM

you shouldn't be too attached to a particular result

Oh, certainly. But intending to disprove a hypothesis and having a personal investment in whether or not the hypothesis is disproven are two different things.

7:16 PM

The latter introduces bias. The former is just a methodology.

7:17 PM

Or, rather, the latter is bias.

Winter, you should take up philosophy fulltime.

@Syfar System Okay. As long as there is a way to actually make enough money to live off of.

Hi Winter. Long time no see.

In any case, I’m sure this convo can be moved to lounge

Become a master thief, stealing your food to live, and justifying it with your philosophies. And recording your thoughtful findings in books to be published. All without the need for money.

I agree, Reena.

Well, anyway, all I really care about rn is giving Tea the best life I can

Same! Athena deserves the best experience her host can give her!

Good.

I'm always worried I'm not giving her enough attention

Hah.

I know

9:45 PM

Ironic asf coming from me

9:46 PM

But ever since I've toned it down can't help but feel this way (edited)

Ah.

Any tips?

Not really. It does all essentially boil down to "Don't worry about it so much".

9:49 PM

Understanding the reasoning for it further and trying to use techniques that can help you keep from worrying are both ways to help as well.

I think if you manage to recall them when you wake up and when you go to sleep, you won’t have to worry too much

Yes.

The last couple of days I’ve woken up with Athena, and I always wake her before I go to sleep to check in. She lets me know if she wants me to force more

Hmm

Do all tulpae share the same taste in food with the host since everyone has the same taste buds? (edited)

No.

But how? Physically, i mean. How is it different if everything tastes the same for everyone?

Ah. The actual smell and taste doesn't change. What changes is my preference.

4:34 PM

So - I like food that is spicier than what Skye likes. I prefer milk in my tea.

4:35 PM

She can also enjoy the same foods, and the taste sensation doesn't change - but what we prefer out of that taste palette is different. (edited)

That is really cool. There is so much more to tulpamancy than i ever would have guessed before getting involved (edited)

What's it like to be in a wl? Does it feel imaginary, or does it actually seem real? Or is it all dependent on one's visualization skills?

the latter

5:03 PM

somebody who's good at visualizing can make it very real

5:03 PM

(like me)

5:03 PM

I know some people (I think Nathan Parker was one) can hardly visualize at all

Ya, that's pretty much me rn. I really need to practice

Visualization will never be as vivid as reality unless you become able to impose - which is far from necessary.

It can feel real to the tulpa. Probably host if they lucid dream or something

Even the most realistic of visualizations is still imagination.

true Winter

5:07 PM

but it feels like a very clear lucid dream

5:08 PM

last night I figured I would drift off to sleep while looking for 2x4s with Ikari in home depot

5:08 PM

and I picked up one and twisted my wrist cause I forgot it was not real and it hurt like a bitch

5:08 PM

when I woke up I held my wrist and it took me a few seconds to realize it wasn't real

5:08 PM

my visualizations are real af

Lucid dreaming is independent from visualization, I believe

It is

5:10 PM

but because they both work in sort of the same way

5:10 PM

you kind of get the same feelings

I feel like I’m at a stage where it’s hard for me to sometimes distinguish internal monologues from the conversations I have with Athena. Any thoughts on this? I don’t want to puppet and I hope she can deviate soon if she feels pressured to say something that I myself was thinking

Patience. Has it previously been clear that it was Athena in your conversations?

5:25 PM

Or, has it not been clear at all, and now it is starting to be detectable?

Certain moments seem pretty noticeable; like, she clearly enjoys Steven universe and gathering sensory data

Hah.

5:26 PM

Steven Universe is a lovely show.

Sometimes I feel like there’s a more subconscious self that’s telling me to spend more time forcing/taking care of myself

5:27 PM

But that could have been me too

5:28 PM

Earlier I thought it was her telling me to take care of myself until I had the energy to come back and force

Right. There are a few things you can do.

5:29 PM

The first thing is to simply be patient, keep forcing, and pay attention - it will become more clear with time.

5:33 PM

Second, pay attention to a few things in responses - the feel of the responses, their tone, the consistency in attitude and character of the responses, and even the cadence of how they respond.

5:34 PM

(Apologies. It took a minute to find the correct way to phrase that.)

5:35 PM

Third, confirm. If you find something you aren't sure of, ask if it was them to confirm - if you can't be sure of the confirmation, simply clarify that with her. Let her know that you weren't able to clearly determine that it was her, so you aren't going to assume it was (or necessarily wasn't). So, you can continue doing what you are doing as you intended regardless.

We just had a mind argument over whether my last couple of minutes were her or not. She says it was her

5:45 PM

Thank you for the advice. I’ll try to ask more frequently for confirmation checks

I am listening to music and I suddenly have so much joy and happiness....this has to be Ikari

Confirmation checks are good.

5:59 PM

this has to be Ikari This, is what would be known as assuming the positive.

5:59 PM

Perhaps it is the case, perhaps it isn't.